Comments on: Wordcamp Melbourne - Alister Cameron. http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/ Thoughts on sales, marketing and the internet. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:34:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Preneur Marketing - WordCamp Melbourne 07 Review… http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-40222 Preneur Marketing - WordCamp Melbourne 07 Review… Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:58:00 +0000 http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-40222 [...] Video courtesy the blog of the sponsor EightBlack. Technorati Tags: alister-cameron, australia, automattic, christine davis, classybody, darren-rowse, eightblack, , melbourne, sandbox theme, sandpress, wcm07, wordcamp, wordcamp melbourne, Wordpress, wordpress-themes, problogger del.icio.us Digg Furl Reddit Google PlugIM StumbleUpon Technorati Help [...] [...] Video courtesy the blog of the sponsor EightBlack. Technorati Tags: alister-cameron, australia, automattic, christine davis, classybody, darren-rowse, eightblack, , melbourne, sandbox theme, sandpress, wcm07, wordcamp, wordcamp melbourne, Wordpress, wordpress-themes, problogger del.icio.us Digg Furl Reddit Google PlugIM StumbleUpon Technorati Help [...]

]]> By: The Blogologist speaking at Wordcamp Melbourne 2007 http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-38677 The Blogologist speaking at Wordcamp Melbourne 2007 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 05:56:55 +0000 http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-38677 [...] is Yours Truly speaking at Wordcamp Melbourne 2007. Many thanks to the team at EightBlack for the recording and putting it online. Simon Chen, CEO, says some extraordinarily generous things about me on that [...] [...] is Yours Truly speaking at Wordcamp Melbourne 2007. Many thanks to the team at EightBlack for the recording and putting it online. Simon Chen, CEO, says some extraordinarily generous things about me on that [...]

]]> By: Design Practices and the Sandbox · plaintxt.org http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-38467 Design Practices and the Sandbox · plaintxt.org Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:39:55 +0000 http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-38467 [...] Alister Cameron, WordCamp Melbourne (video permalink) happiness [...] [...] Alister Cameron, WordCamp Melbourne (video permalink) happiness [...]

]]> By: Alister Cameron // Blogologist http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-38426 Alister Cameron // Blogologist Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:12:46 +0000 http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-38426 Simon, You are FAR too kind! I'm sure I'm not vaguely as interesting as you make me out to be...! But thanks :) I had a great time at Wordcamp, and we sure had some fascinating and talented people there. Thanks for putting the video up online. Cheers, -Alister Simon,

You are FAR too kind! I’m sure I’m not vaguely as interesting as you make me out to be…! But thanks :)

I had a great time at Wordcamp, and we sure had some fascinating and talented people there.

Thanks for putting the video up online.

Cheers,

-Alister

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]]> By: Meg http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-38418 Meg Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:55:10 +0000 http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-38418 Hi Simon I've been enjoying the video coverage, not being able to make the trip, so thanks for making it available :) I can't get this one to play, however. Is it just me? Hi Simon

I’ve been enjoying the video coverage, not being able to make the trip, so thanks for making it available :)

I can’t get this one to play, however. Is it just me?

]]> By: Ben Dyer http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-38388 Ben Dyer Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:33:54 +0000 http://blog.eightblack.com/2007/wordcamp-melbourne-alister-cameron/#comment-38388 Simon, Alister's presentation focused on a WP theme called the Sandbox (). While this theme is, as installed, fairly plain, the key benefit over the other themes available is that the XHTML it generates contains the necessary class/id attributes to completely change the style via CSS alone. (aside) This is nice because a cleanly-designed site uses XHTML for structural information only ("this is a post", "this is a paragraph within a post", "this is a heading belonging to a post"), with the presentation of the site defined in CSS ("headings belonging to posts are 28pt dark grey Verdana, with a light grey underline"). By separating structure from presentation, you get all sorts of nice benefits, like being able to change the layout of your site without hacking around in your theme's PHP, reducing bandwidth (since the CSS can be cached), and enabling other people to access your content in whatever format suits them (since they can override your CSS rules, say to optimize the site for a 160x120 pixel mobile phone screen). (end aside) Alister's contention was that essentially all the "knowledge" the PHP side of WordPress has about a post, page, category, or whatever should be exposed in the XHTML, so designers can make use of any/all of that when they're designing the page, without having to get a programmer involved. I agree, although I think the Sandbox uses class and id attributes in a number of situations in which it would be more appropriate to use CSS selectors to specify elements. Simon, Alister’s presentation focused on a WP theme called the Sandbox (). While this theme is, as installed, fairly plain, the key benefit over the other themes available is that the XHTML it generates contains the necessary class/id attributes to completely change the style via CSS alone.

(aside)
This is nice because a cleanly-designed site uses XHTML for structural information only (”this is a post”, “this is a paragraph within a post”, “this is a heading belonging to a post”), with the presentation of the site defined in CSS (”headings belonging to posts are 28pt dark grey Verdana, with a light grey underline”).

By separating structure from presentation, you get all sorts of nice benefits, like being able to change the layout of your site without hacking around in your theme’s PHP, reducing bandwidth (since the CSS can be cached), and enabling other people to access your content in whatever format suits them (since they can override your CSS rules, say to optimize the site for a 160×120 pixel mobile phone screen).
(end aside)

Alister’s contention was that essentially all the “knowledge” the PHP side of WordPress has about a post, page, category, or whatever should be exposed in the XHTML, so designers can make use of any/all of that when they’re designing the page, without having to get a programmer involved. I agree, although I think the Sandbox uses class and id attributes in a number of situations in which it would be more appropriate to use CSS selectors to specify elements.

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